Ever since the PSR9000 pro Yamaha haven't released any top arrangers with 76 key, and i assume they will not release such an instrument based on Tyros 4 either, so this poll is based on wishfull thinking from my part.


Next to i also would be interested to hear which feature you would add to the Tyros 4 pro if you where allowed to add only one extra feature to the Tyros 4 next to the 15 extra keys.

I am all for a 76-note TyrosX, but not at the expense of the 61-note version.

Extra feature (on the 61 key as well)...probably a chord sequencer similar to Korg's.

Ian

That's a strange thing to be worried about, though, Ian. Most 76's have an equivalent 61. G70 - E80... PA2X - PA800. I doubt any manufacturer would disturb an already successful product to make ONLY a 76. But when ALL making a 76 would involve is a larger case and keybed (and leave all the innards and buttons the same), the cost of making it is only a TINY fraction of producing a new model from scratch. I can't see why Yamaha are not willing to gamble on such a low-cost bet. A small production run would definitely show them whether their 'in house' (in other words, only asking 61 users their opinions) research is accurate or not!

Glad that the CS is starting to get back into our front of consciousness. Maybe if Korg AND Yamaha all have it, Roland might get the 'me too' syndrome! Mind you, a 76 T4 with a CS? I might already have jumped ship before Roland get their lazy asses in gear!

As far as I can see Yamaha have their current version of a 76 key keyboard already. They are pushing the Motif version of a synth/arranger wantabe in the S70XS. It's what some might call a half sister or Tyros/Motif love child coupleing.

Not a true arranger but has 76 keys and hammer action for those piano style players; so why would they want to produce a 76 Tyros?


Allan

It's got NOTHING to do with an arranger. Chalk and cheese. Only people trying to SELL you a MoXF are calling it an arranger/WS hybrid...

Weird thing is that hammer action 76. I don't get that. Sure, great for piano, but lousy for organ, flutes, synths, basically a LOT of sounds better played from lighter actions. I just don't see why, if you want fully weighted, you wouldn't go 88. There's not even much of a weight saving.

76 plastic offers a MUCH wider selection of things you can do well, as long as it isn't TOO light weight.

I suppose, since we are both speculating here, that they simply don't need to take the gamble.

Whether it would actually be a "low-cost bet" on a "small production run" is only a guess, as we really don't know the real costs involved.

I also suspect that a 76 note Tyros based arranger would be priced higher than an already very expensive 61-note instrument. What affect would that have on sales, we can only speculate.

Whatever the case, it doesn't appear they believe a 76'er based on the Tyros, including it's earlier iterations, is a viable venture...at least up to now.

Ian

Like all the polls I am making this sticky for a while so it stays are the top of the thread list.

Actually, if you are a piano player, weighted action isn't an issue as far as speed is concerned, for sounds like flutes, synths, guitars...piano players can play extremely fast on a weighted action instrument, or concert and jazz pianists would prefer semi-weighted keys.

In actuality, and in my own experience, organ is the only instrument a little more difficult to play on weighted keys...and that's if you are into playing smears, and slides...fast repeated notes aren't a problem for a piano player (who has kept his/her chops up), especially with today's actions having the third sensor which allows this to happen quite easily.

Most keyboardists in a band are primarily piano players, hence the need for a decent weighted action.

Generally, these players rely on a second keyboard for organ...in fact, especially for organ....I don't know too many keyboardists who would prefer a semi-weighted keyboard as their main axe, unless they aren't primarily piano players. Most, if not all, the players I see in groups, use TWO keyboards.

Ian

To answer your concern, the idea of 76 weighted is to allow the instrument to fit in the back seat of a compact car, and still allow the player his/her preferred weighted keybed.

I think two voices for lower left part would be a nice addition.Capable of being used separate or layered.

You are right Diki, the S70XS is not an arranger, but they are what Yamaha are offering in the 76 key place that an arranger could fill. The s70XS is a nice board with some interesting features, i.e. the appegiators which some do follow your chords/ notes in the left hand. A convenient transpose button unlike the motif( you have to dig for it)etc. It is angled at the piano/ stage keyboard player and , yes it is slightly easier to fit into my sized car than the S90XS but only about 2 kgs different in weight.

To be honest I love a true graded hammer action when playing piano - but only solo piano. Together with the extra keys , suits my style, but again only in that instance. Playing organ, I prefer a "waterfall" style keyboard like the Rolands VR700 - just great for glissandos, taps and smears etc.



Allan